1 00:00:15,932 --> 00:00:18,685 [male reporter] Join us now. Sisterhood is powerful. 2 00:00:18,768 --> 00:00:21,021 The battle cry of the Women's Liberation Movement 3 00:00:21,104 --> 00:00:23,440 brings out down New York's Fifth Avenue 4 00:00:23,523 --> 00:00:28,820 as more than 10,000 militant feminists stage a one-day strike for equal rights. 5 00:00:29,988 --> 00:00:33,658 [woman] In the late '60s and '70s, the women's movement opened up 6 00:00:33,742 --> 00:00:37,746 a number of doors for women to have choices 7 00:00:37,829 --> 00:00:39,497 to be whatever they wanted to be. 8 00:00:39,873 --> 00:00:43,001 Equal rights. Equal rights to have a job, to have respect, 9 00:00:43,084 --> 00:00:44,794 to not be viewed as a piece of meat. 10 00:00:45,378 --> 00:00:47,255 [McChesney] There was a lot more Independence, 11 00:00:47,338 --> 00:00:48,923 a lot more empowerment. 12 00:00:49,549 --> 00:00:52,886 [woman] This will continue as a political coalition 13 00:00:52,969 --> 00:00:55,555 to win the unfinished revolution of women's equality. 14 00:00:56,056 --> 00:00:58,349 [McChesney] Women were a lot freer. 15 00:00:58,433 --> 00:01:02,020 Hitchhiking, for example, was not a big deal. 16 00:01:02,103 --> 00:01:06,066 But because there was more of an open society, 17 00:01:06,691 --> 00:01:10,195 new types of crimes against women became more common. 18 00:01:11,279 --> 00:01:15,617 And in the Pacific Northwest at the time, there was someone... 19 00:01:15,992 --> 00:01:17,869 evil out there... 20 00:01:18,495 --> 00:01:21,581 doing really horrible things to women. 21 00:01:24,167 --> 00:01:28,713 [Bundy] A person of this type chooses his victims for a reason. 22 00:01:29,923 --> 00:01:32,217 His victims are young attractive women. 23 00:01:33,843 --> 00:01:35,678 Women are possessions. 24 00:01:35,762 --> 00:01:39,599 Beings which are subservient, more often than not, to males. 25 00:01:40,517 --> 00:01:41,768 Women are merchandise. 26 00:01:43,561 --> 00:01:48,066 From the pornographic, through Playboy, right on up to the evening news. 27 00:01:49,526 --> 00:01:51,861 So there is no denying the sexual component. 28 00:01:51,945 --> 00:01:54,072 However, sex has significance 29 00:01:54,155 --> 00:01:58,660 only in the context of a much broader scheme of things. 30 00:01:59,536 --> 00:02:03,248 That is possession, control, violence. 31 00:02:09,170 --> 00:02:11,422 [theme music playing] 32 00:02:34,154 --> 00:02:36,781 [male reporter] Police are focused in on their investigation into the cases 33 00:02:36,865 --> 00:02:39,284 of missing women in Washington State. 34 00:02:41,244 --> 00:02:45,123 [reporter their investigation after Denise Naslund 35 00:02:45,206 --> 00:02:48,084 and Janice Ott disappeared from Lake Sammamish State Park. 36 00:02:48,168 --> 00:02:51,588 A special 11-man task force was flooded with calls from witnesses 37 00:02:52,046 --> 00:02:55,967 who said they had seen the suspect: a man who called himself Ted. 38 00:02:57,135 --> 00:03:01,139 [man] Eight women disappeared in and around Washington State 39 00:03:01,222 --> 00:03:02,974 over six months. 40 00:03:03,057 --> 00:03:05,643 As far as I was concerned, it was new territory. 41 00:03:06,186 --> 00:03:09,772 [man] All the girls were between the ages of 18 and 21, 42 00:03:09,856 --> 00:03:12,442 four of the girls attended, were attending colleges. 43 00:03:12,942 --> 00:03:14,027 Same hairstyle... 44 00:03:14,527 --> 00:03:16,487 all very similar in appearance, 45 00:03:16,905 --> 00:03:20,658 and when they disappeared, they left their personal effects. 46 00:03:21,326 --> 00:03:25,705 [Keppel] Everybody we could find, anybody who'd call in, we talked to. 47 00:03:25,788 --> 00:03:27,290 [man] Thank you very much for calling. 48 00:03:29,250 --> 00:03:32,545 [man that Ted was at Central State College 49 00:03:32,629 --> 00:03:35,632 and at the Seattle Tavern, where two other girls had disappeared. 50 00:03:35,715 --> 00:03:39,636 And soon, Ted was being spotted behind every tree, behind every bush. 51 00:03:40,511 --> 00:03:44,098 [McChesney] We were working 12, 14 hours a day 52 00:03:44,182 --> 00:03:45,850 nearly every day of the week. 53 00:03:45,934 --> 00:03:49,938 We weren't sure if we had a suspect whose name was really Ted or not, 54 00:03:50,021 --> 00:03:54,484 but that name brought forth thousands of leads. 55 00:03:54,567 --> 00:03:58,112 We looked through databases, driver's licenses, 56 00:03:58,196 --> 00:04:02,909 criminal records to see who we had that might be Ted or Theodore. 57 00:04:02,992 --> 00:04:06,079 Middle name, first name, uh, nickname. 58 00:04:06,621 --> 00:04:12,210 We were also looking for someone driving a light brown Volkswagen Bug. 59 00:04:13,336 --> 00:04:15,338 [Keppel] I don't know if you know how many Bugs 60 00:04:15,421 --> 00:04:18,675 there were in the State of Washington during that time. 61 00:04:19,133 --> 00:04:20,301 You wanna guess? 62 00:04:20,927 --> 00:04:22,762 Forty-two thousand. 63 00:04:22,845 --> 00:04:24,681 That's what we were dealing with. 64 00:04:25,306 --> 00:04:27,308 Masses of information. 65 00:04:27,934 --> 00:04:30,687 [McChesney] We started with literally 1,000 names. 66 00:04:31,437 --> 00:04:35,108 Then we looked at suspects who we had maybe of the name of Ted 67 00:04:35,191 --> 00:04:36,567 who drove that kind of a car, 68 00:04:36,651 --> 00:04:40,571 whom perhaps people had reported as being a little strange. 69 00:04:40,655 --> 00:04:42,615 We put all those things together 70 00:04:42,699 --> 00:04:48,830 and we narrowed the number of potential offenders down to 100. 71 00:04:51,124 --> 00:04:52,417 But at that time, 72 00:04:52,500 --> 00:04:57,880 we didn't have enough resources to manage the data quickly. 73 00:04:58,172 --> 00:04:59,716 Everything was slow. 74 00:05:00,758 --> 00:05:03,803 [man] This is a little different than, uh, most homicide cases. 75 00:05:03,886 --> 00:05:09,350 We have witnesses that observed our suspect, quote, "Ted." 76 00:05:09,434 --> 00:05:11,311 I think one of these days we'll find him. 77 00:05:11,394 --> 00:05:13,855 I don't-- I can't tell you when, but we will. 78 00:05:26,617 --> 00:05:31,039 [man] After several weeks of conversations with Ted on death row, 79 00:05:31,122 --> 00:05:33,416 when he started talking in the third person, 80 00:05:33,499 --> 00:05:34,834 that was the breakthrough. 81 00:05:34,917 --> 00:05:37,462 Our relationship changed at that moment... 82 00:05:38,713 --> 00:05:42,592 from me being just another goddamn reporter 83 00:05:42,675 --> 00:05:48,014 to me being the conduit for Ted being able to finally tell this story. 84 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:51,309 [Bundy] Now let's consider the possibility 85 00:05:51,392 --> 00:05:55,104 that this person suffered from some sort of acute onset 86 00:05:55,188 --> 00:05:58,983 of a desire that resulted in killing young women. 87 00:05:59,067 --> 00:06:00,443 How do you account for it? 88 00:06:01,194 --> 00:06:03,321 [Michaud] Ted started laying out the history 89 00:06:03,404 --> 00:06:06,991 of what he would soon come to call "the entity." 90 00:06:07,408 --> 00:06:09,577 At its start, it's just a feeling. 91 00:06:09,660 --> 00:06:12,413 First, this individual, as he called himself, 92 00:06:12,497 --> 00:06:14,874 developed a pornography habit. 93 00:06:15,750 --> 00:06:18,920 [Bundy] The early manifestations of this condition, 94 00:06:19,003 --> 00:06:21,839 which is an interest concerning sexual images. 95 00:06:21,923 --> 00:06:22,882 [Michaud] Mm-hmm. 96 00:06:22,965 --> 00:06:25,009 [Bundy] Your standard fare that you'd see in the movie house 97 00:06:25,093 --> 00:06:26,761 or in Playboy magazine. 98 00:06:27,261 --> 00:06:31,015 [Michaud] Gradually, this kind of malign part of this individual 99 00:06:31,099 --> 00:06:32,517 started connecting... 100 00:06:33,226 --> 00:06:35,645 naked women with violence. 101 00:06:36,104 --> 00:06:40,483 [Bundy] The interest becomes skewed toward a more specialized literature-- 102 00:06:40,566 --> 00:06:41,734 some of it pretty grotesque, 103 00:06:41,818 --> 00:06:44,278 which would preoccupy him more and more. 104 00:06:45,321 --> 00:06:48,074 I asked him, "When does this individual first act out?" 105 00:06:48,741 --> 00:06:49,992 [Bundy] It would reach a point 106 00:06:50,076 --> 00:06:54,872 where the anger, the frustration, the anxiety, the poor self-image 107 00:06:54,956 --> 00:06:58,334 feeling cheated, wronged, insecure... 108 00:06:59,127 --> 00:07:03,464 he decides upon young attractive women being his victims. 109 00:07:06,175 --> 00:07:10,930 The feeling grew and grew until the entity controlled him, 110 00:07:11,013 --> 00:07:12,723 and he would hear a voice 111 00:07:13,266 --> 00:07:16,769 and he did as the entity told him to do. 112 00:07:18,771 --> 00:07:20,523 [Bundy] One particular evening, 113 00:07:20,606 --> 00:07:22,650 he was driving down a fairly dark street, 114 00:07:22,733 --> 00:07:25,445 and saw a girl walking along the street. 115 00:07:25,570 --> 00:07:28,406 And parked his car and ran up behind the girl 116 00:07:28,489 --> 00:07:31,993 and she heard him, she turned around, and he brandished the knife, 117 00:07:32,076 --> 00:07:34,662 and grabbed her by the arm, 118 00:07:34,745 --> 00:07:37,874 and told her to do what wanted her to do. 119 00:07:37,957 --> 00:07:40,877 When he really got going, his eyes went absolutely black. 120 00:07:41,252 --> 00:07:43,421 He had very blue eyes, 121 00:07:43,754 --> 00:07:46,174 but his eyes would go black. 122 00:07:46,883 --> 00:07:49,218 [Bundy] Let's say he placed his hands around her throat 123 00:07:49,594 --> 00:07:53,389 just to throttle her into unconsciousness so that she wouldn't scream anymore. 124 00:07:53,848 --> 00:07:55,892 When the need of that malignant condition 125 00:07:55,975 --> 00:07:58,352 had been satisfied through sexual release, 126 00:07:58,436 --> 00:08:01,230 he realized that he couldn't let the girl go. 127 00:08:01,314 --> 00:08:03,524 So killing, to a degree, 128 00:08:03,608 --> 00:08:06,402 will become a way of destroying evidence. 129 00:08:07,028 --> 00:08:10,114 But the act of killing becomes an end in itself. 130 00:08:12,700 --> 00:08:14,702 [indistinct chatter] 131 00:08:18,289 --> 00:08:21,834 [man] Steven had got Ted talking in the third person. 132 00:08:22,376 --> 00:08:24,587 So we had a meeting, the three of us. 133 00:08:25,004 --> 00:08:27,298 It was very strange, sitting... 134 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:28,925 a few feet... 135 00:08:29,383 --> 00:08:31,677 three feet from a... guy like that. 136 00:08:32,470 --> 00:08:34,805 He would not look me in the eye very often. 137 00:08:35,973 --> 00:08:38,768 I found myself, and this sort of strange... 138 00:08:39,268 --> 00:08:42,271 I would almost be mesmerized for a few moments... 139 00:08:42,813 --> 00:08:44,315 looking at his hands. 140 00:08:44,774 --> 00:08:48,569 Thinking, "My God, what did those hands do?" 141 00:08:59,956 --> 00:09:02,041 [McChesney] After approximately a month, 142 00:09:02,542 --> 00:09:04,460 there was nothing new really coming in. 143 00:09:04,544 --> 00:09:05,670 [indistinct chatter] 144 00:09:05,753 --> 00:09:08,422 Okay, what address does she have? 145 00:09:08,798 --> 00:09:11,842 [McChesney] The big leap came when we received a call from a woman 146 00:09:11,926 --> 00:09:15,513 who said, "I'm concerned about my boyfriend 147 00:09:15,930 --> 00:09:19,016 named Ted Bundy, whom you should look at." 148 00:09:19,850 --> 00:09:25,147 [young Keppel] This will be an interview with Elizabeth Kloepfer. K-L-O-E-P-F-E-R. 149 00:09:26,357 --> 00:09:28,484 Are you aware that this interview is being taped? 150 00:09:28,568 --> 00:09:29,402 [Kloepfer] Yes. 151 00:09:29,485 --> 00:09:32,196 -[Keppel] Is it taped with your approval? -Yes. 152 00:09:32,613 --> 00:09:35,283 [Michaud] Ted and Liz had a very complex relationship. 153 00:09:35,783 --> 00:09:38,411 Their relationship had started rocking back and forth, 154 00:09:38,494 --> 00:09:40,663 and it left Liz in a real mess. 155 00:09:41,372 --> 00:09:44,417 There were these hints that there was something deeper 156 00:09:44,500 --> 00:09:47,878 and more complex about Ted than she had previously suspected. 157 00:09:48,588 --> 00:09:52,466 [Kloepfer] Uh, he... mentioned an incident 158 00:09:52,550 --> 00:09:54,468 about following a sorority girl. 159 00:09:54,552 --> 00:09:57,305 When he was out late at night, he would follow people like that. 160 00:09:58,139 --> 00:10:00,016 That he'd try not to, but-- 161 00:10:00,099 --> 00:10:02,768 but he just did it anyway. 162 00:10:03,227 --> 00:10:05,479 [Michaud] She found a bag of women's underclothing 163 00:10:05,563 --> 00:10:06,897 in his apartment. 164 00:10:06,981 --> 00:10:09,859 She found a bowl filled with house keys. 165 00:10:10,234 --> 00:10:13,696 There was some plaster of Paris and some bandages. 166 00:10:13,779 --> 00:10:18,242 Another time she found a knife under the right front seat of his car. 167 00:10:19,535 --> 00:10:22,580 [Kloepfer] The night that Brenda Ball... disappeared, 168 00:10:22,997 --> 00:10:25,166 he'd been with me and my family, 169 00:10:25,249 --> 00:10:28,044 and he left early in the evening and then the next day was late to my... 170 00:10:28,544 --> 00:10:29,920 daughter's baptism. 171 00:10:30,338 --> 00:10:33,090 And then he said, "It's pretty scary, isn't it?" 172 00:10:34,175 --> 00:10:37,053 [McChesney] She reported suspicious behavior on his part, 173 00:10:37,136 --> 00:10:39,263 and she was, frankly, afraid. 174 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:41,265 But she was not certain. 175 00:10:41,807 --> 00:10:43,351 [Kloepfer] In my own mind, 176 00:10:43,434 --> 00:10:46,270 there were coincidences that seemed to tie him in. 177 00:10:46,354 --> 00:10:49,190 Yet when I would think about our day-to-day relationship, 178 00:10:49,982 --> 00:10:52,360 there was nothing there that would lead me to think 179 00:10:52,443 --> 00:10:55,863 that he was a violent man capable of doing something like that. 180 00:10:58,282 --> 00:11:00,451 [McChesney] We had a lot of women who called and said, 181 00:11:00,534 --> 00:11:03,913 "I'm concerned that my boyfriend might be this offender." 182 00:11:03,996 --> 00:11:05,623 Whether his name was Ted or not. 183 00:11:06,457 --> 00:11:08,793 But this Ted was about the right age, 184 00:11:08,876 --> 00:11:11,295 he was about the right physical description. 185 00:11:11,379 --> 00:11:14,256 He was familiar with the University of Washington 186 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:16,467 because he lived in the university district. 187 00:11:17,385 --> 00:11:19,595 He did have that kind of a car. 188 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,473 So there were a lot of things that started to add up. 189 00:11:23,683 --> 00:11:25,518 [Keppel] We even found information 190 00:11:25,601 --> 00:11:29,730 that this Ted had been to Lake Sammamish State Park 191 00:11:29,814 --> 00:11:33,693 the weekend before the Lake Sammamish event happened. 192 00:11:34,443 --> 00:11:37,405 [McChesney] So, where was Ted Bundy 193 00:11:37,822 --> 00:11:41,450 on these various days when those women went missing? 194 00:11:41,534 --> 00:11:45,996 Was he anywhere where somebody could provide an alibi for him? 195 00:11:46,997 --> 00:11:50,126 As it turned out, as we continued to look at his life, 196 00:11:50,751 --> 00:11:52,211 there wasn't any alibi. 197 00:11:52,294 --> 00:11:55,965 So Ted was a... absolutely prime suspect. 198 00:11:57,049 --> 00:11:58,467 [Bundy] After Lake Sammamish, 199 00:11:58,551 --> 00:12:02,471 they were working from a list of hundreds upon hundreds of leads. 200 00:12:03,055 --> 00:12:06,100 So the emphasis becomes on don't get caught. 201 00:12:06,475 --> 00:12:09,395 Then it becomes a matter of disposing of the problem... 202 00:12:09,979 --> 00:12:12,064 without leaving any, uh, evidence. 203 00:12:14,233 --> 00:12:16,777 [man] They finally had their first possible suspect. 204 00:12:17,194 --> 00:12:18,028 At that point, 205 00:12:18,112 --> 00:12:20,406 the captain of Seattle homicide, 206 00:12:20,489 --> 00:12:23,033 he had me do some ride-alongs with some of his detectives, 207 00:12:23,117 --> 00:12:25,661 staking out a suspect at the University of Washington. 208 00:12:26,495 --> 00:12:28,497 I was in the back seat of an undercover car 209 00:12:28,581 --> 00:12:31,917 with two plain-clothed policemen staking out somebody. 210 00:12:32,918 --> 00:12:34,545 We just sat there all night long 211 00:12:35,045 --> 00:12:36,714 on a radio, listening for... 212 00:12:37,131 --> 00:12:40,301 any movement of his car, and there never was. 213 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,930 And I didn't know at the time, in fact, didn't realize until some time later, 214 00:12:45,014 --> 00:12:46,640 it was Ted Bundy's car. 215 00:12:49,351 --> 00:12:52,855 [McChesney] At that point, we did have a photograph of Ted. 216 00:12:52,938 --> 00:12:55,608 and we prepared photo lineups and showed to witnesses 217 00:12:55,691 --> 00:12:57,193 who had been at Lake Sammamish Park. 218 00:12:58,194 --> 00:13:01,530 [reporter] The photograph of Ted Bundy was shown to at least eight witnesses 219 00:13:01,614 --> 00:13:03,073 from Lake Sammamish. 220 00:13:03,157 --> 00:13:08,204 Seven positively said Ted Bundy was not the mysterious Ted. 221 00:13:09,497 --> 00:13:13,292 [McChesney] It was a surprise that they felt that it was not him. 222 00:13:14,293 --> 00:13:18,130 So, we didn't have definitive identification 223 00:13:18,214 --> 00:13:21,425 that this indeed was the person who had committed these crimes. 224 00:13:22,551 --> 00:13:24,261 But I certainly wish that we had. 225 00:13:26,597 --> 00:13:30,267 There were no fingerprints. There were no eyewitnesses. 226 00:13:30,351 --> 00:13:33,896 There was nothing physically that would connect Ted to the crimes. 227 00:13:34,313 --> 00:13:36,232 They had nothing to charge him with. 228 00:13:36,315 --> 00:13:39,944 Ted was never brought in for an official police interview. 229 00:13:40,611 --> 00:13:42,738 [Bundy] I suppose they could be faulted for not... 230 00:13:42,822 --> 00:13:44,865 actually coming out and talking to me, 231 00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:47,034 but on the other hand they can't be faulted. 232 00:13:47,493 --> 00:13:48,786 Which one are they gonna pick, 233 00:13:48,869 --> 00:13:51,455 the law student with no criminal background 234 00:13:51,539 --> 00:13:54,708 or are they going to go after the guy with the... 235 00:13:54,792 --> 00:13:58,003 arrest record for robbery, or you know, the types? 236 00:13:58,087 --> 00:13:59,588 The real weirdos. 237 00:14:00,589 --> 00:14:04,343 People don't realize that murderers do not come out in the dark 238 00:14:04,426 --> 00:14:07,680 with long teeth and saliva dripping off their chin. 239 00:14:09,431 --> 00:14:13,727 Everybody wanted this Ted to be somebody you could pick out. 240 00:14:14,103 --> 00:14:15,604 He wasn't that way. 241 00:14:16,647 --> 00:14:20,067 [Keppel] We didn't have any information at that time 242 00:14:20,150 --> 00:14:22,236 that we could have charged Bundy with murder. 243 00:14:22,778 --> 00:14:24,822 That's what people don't understand. 244 00:14:26,532 --> 00:14:28,993 [female reporter] Where does this investigation now stand? 245 00:14:29,076 --> 00:14:32,538 Police officials will not discuss this King County investigation 246 00:14:32,621 --> 00:14:34,623 because it is still an active case. 247 00:14:35,416 --> 00:14:38,043 No one will or can confirm 248 00:14:38,127 --> 00:14:41,630 that the investigation continues on other suspects. 249 00:14:43,632 --> 00:14:45,384 [McChesney] In any investigation, 250 00:14:45,467 --> 00:14:49,096 you will reach some point where you run out of leads. 251 00:14:49,597 --> 00:14:52,933 So we stopped the full task force at that point. 252 00:14:55,102 --> 00:14:59,064 But there was also the fact that the murders had seemed to stop. 253 00:14:59,648 --> 00:15:02,902 So we didn't know if the person had died, 254 00:15:02,985 --> 00:15:05,821 had left the area, had just stopped... 255 00:15:06,447 --> 00:15:08,032 committing these crimes on their own. 256 00:15:08,657 --> 00:15:10,242 [male reporter] What it was evident this spring 257 00:15:10,326 --> 00:15:12,661 that the investigation had reached a dead end, 258 00:15:12,745 --> 00:15:15,205 police admitted that they could only catch Ted 259 00:15:15,289 --> 00:15:17,708 if he committed another crime and got caught. 260 00:15:36,602 --> 00:15:37,895 [Bundy] I loved Utah. 261 00:15:38,646 --> 00:15:40,773 I decided that I was moving down there 262 00:15:40,856 --> 00:15:42,900 in September of '74. 263 00:15:44,485 --> 00:15:48,322 Hopped on the interstate going south toward Provo. 264 00:15:49,406 --> 00:15:52,409 All of a sudden I felt-- I felt almost euphoric. 265 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,121 I just looked out the window and watched the scenery and... 266 00:15:56,580 --> 00:15:59,166 dreamed and reminisced and... 267 00:15:59,249 --> 00:16:02,711 generally maintained a real good feeling I had 268 00:16:02,795 --> 00:16:04,713 all the way into Utah. 269 00:16:07,424 --> 00:16:10,761 Ted moved to Salt Lake City to start law school 270 00:16:10,844 --> 00:16:12,805 at the University of Utah. 271 00:16:13,597 --> 00:16:19,436 I did not understand why Ted went off to Utah for law school. 272 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,147 I advised him to go to University of Puget Sound. 273 00:16:22,856 --> 00:16:24,817 'Cause that was the school I was going to. 274 00:16:25,526 --> 00:16:27,444 But he was insistent 275 00:16:27,528 --> 00:16:30,906 and I was surprised that he went off to Utah. 276 00:16:31,782 --> 00:16:33,117 [Bundy] We are dealing with an individual 277 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,704 whose primary concern is not to be detected. 278 00:16:37,121 --> 00:16:39,456 The individual's modus operandi was 279 00:16:39,540 --> 00:16:42,960 -moving large amounts of distance... -Mm-hmm. 280 00:16:43,043 --> 00:16:45,170 ...in an attempt to camouflage what he was doing. 281 00:16:45,671 --> 00:16:48,382 And that he was also able to take advantage 282 00:16:48,465 --> 00:16:50,009 of the anonymity factor. 283 00:16:51,468 --> 00:16:53,762 [Michaud] The Ted people saw in Utah 284 00:16:53,846 --> 00:16:56,515 was pretty much the same mild-mannered law student 285 00:16:56,598 --> 00:16:58,851 that he projected in the State of Washington. 286 00:16:59,309 --> 00:17:01,645 And that's what Ted did, he snowed people. 287 00:17:06,483 --> 00:17:09,778 [man] Ted Bundy befriended me in 1974. 288 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:15,534 I was what we call a branch president in the Mormon church. 289 00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:20,330 One day, two members in our branch 290 00:17:20,414 --> 00:17:23,125 had knocked on the door of, uh, Ted Bundy. 291 00:17:24,460 --> 00:17:27,254 They got talking and he expressed an interest. 292 00:17:28,422 --> 00:17:31,050 Eventually, he became a member of the church. 293 00:17:31,133 --> 00:17:32,342 He was baptized... 294 00:17:33,093 --> 00:17:35,095 and then he was placed in our branch. 295 00:17:35,179 --> 00:17:37,347 Put your shoulder to the wheel... 296 00:17:37,431 --> 00:17:40,267 [Bundy] He's probably so caught up in living a dual life that... 297 00:17:40,350 --> 00:17:43,812 he'd been enmeshed in that continuing cycle 298 00:17:43,896 --> 00:17:45,898 of trying to maintain a normal life. 299 00:17:46,690 --> 00:17:48,692 He would modify his behavior 300 00:17:48,776 --> 00:17:52,571 to make him a sound, stable, law-abiding individual. 301 00:17:54,656 --> 00:17:57,284 [Preece] I felt that he was a handsome young man 302 00:17:57,367 --> 00:17:59,828 that seemed to have his life pretty much in order. 303 00:18:00,954 --> 00:18:02,289 He came to the activities. 304 00:18:02,372 --> 00:18:04,458 He came to the church meetings and, uh... 305 00:18:04,875 --> 00:18:06,710 responded in a positive way. 306 00:18:06,794 --> 00:18:09,630 So I thought that things were good for him for the future. 307 00:18:16,845 --> 00:18:19,765 [woman] Summer of '74 was just fun. 308 00:18:20,057 --> 00:18:21,475 A fun summer. 309 00:18:24,061 --> 00:18:25,145 I was 18. 310 00:18:25,646 --> 00:18:27,064 Graduated from high school 311 00:18:27,147 --> 00:18:30,776 and got a job at the local phone company. 312 00:18:31,652 --> 00:18:34,696 I had gotten a car, '74 Camaro. 313 00:18:34,780 --> 00:18:38,575 Maroon with black leather seats and a black top. 314 00:18:38,659 --> 00:18:39,660 [laughs] 315 00:18:39,743 --> 00:18:44,498 And I just started dating a guy who had a matching Camaro. 316 00:18:45,332 --> 00:18:46,750 Everything was great. 317 00:18:46,834 --> 00:18:48,752 I wasn't worried about anything. 318 00:18:50,462 --> 00:18:55,050 And then I heard about a girl in a city next door, Midvale. 319 00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:57,010 She had been found murdered. 320 00:18:58,428 --> 00:19:00,848 She was a police chief's daughter. 321 00:19:01,431 --> 00:19:03,433 It was very alarming, 322 00:19:03,517 --> 00:19:08,397 but there wasn't a lot of information to cause me to be in a panic. 323 00:19:10,315 --> 00:19:11,984 [reporter] Melissa Smith left her father 324 00:19:12,067 --> 00:19:14,361 to meet a friend at this Midvale restaurant. 325 00:19:14,987 --> 00:19:17,156 They talked for a while and then Melissa left. 326 00:19:17,239 --> 00:19:19,783 She set for home. She never got there. 327 00:19:20,534 --> 00:19:23,745 Nine days later, Melissa's body was found in Summit County. 328 00:19:24,204 --> 00:19:27,124 She had been beaten and strangled with a nylon stocking. 329 00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:29,960 I don't want another parent 330 00:19:30,043 --> 00:19:32,504 to go through what my wife and I went through. 331 00:19:32,588 --> 00:19:34,256 I don't think that's right. 332 00:19:34,715 --> 00:19:36,133 I want to know that-- 333 00:19:36,508 --> 00:19:38,802 that the young girls are safe on the street. 334 00:19:41,138 --> 00:19:43,599 [Michaud] In the Autumn of 1974, 335 00:19:43,682 --> 00:19:47,394 there were two other disappearances in the state of Utah. 336 00:19:48,604 --> 00:19:52,566 Nancy Wilcox vanished after leaving her house. 337 00:19:53,275 --> 00:19:54,776 Her body was never found. 338 00:19:55,861 --> 00:19:58,405 Another girl by the name of Laura Aime 339 00:19:58,488 --> 00:20:02,993 also vanished and was later found in the Wasatch Mountains. 340 00:20:03,535 --> 00:20:06,079 She had been bludgeoned and raped. 341 00:20:07,831 --> 00:20:09,625 [man] People were very very worried. 342 00:20:10,709 --> 00:20:14,087 I was the assistant prosecutor, 343 00:20:14,171 --> 00:20:16,340 uh, for the Salt Lake County Attorney's Office. 344 00:20:17,257 --> 00:20:22,596 The number of missing and dead girls was certainly an unusual occurrence. 345 00:20:23,388 --> 00:20:28,602 We didn't connect our cases to the missing girls in the Seattle area. 346 00:20:28,685 --> 00:20:31,104 You wouldn't ever think in your wildest dreams 347 00:20:31,188 --> 00:20:34,524 there was a serial killer in the community. 348 00:20:42,783 --> 00:20:47,996 [DaRonch] November 8, 1974. It was a Friday. 349 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,624 I didn't really have plans that night. 350 00:20:50,707 --> 00:20:55,128 So I decided that I would get in my car and head over for the mall. 351 00:20:57,422 --> 00:20:59,466 I drove to the parking lot, 352 00:20:59,549 --> 00:21:00,968 parked under a light, 353 00:21:01,051 --> 00:21:02,970 and walked into the mall. 354 00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:07,224 Started looking in a bookstore window. 355 00:21:08,392 --> 00:21:11,979 And as I was looking in the window, a man approached me. 356 00:21:12,980 --> 00:21:15,023 He said he was a police officer. 357 00:21:15,649 --> 00:21:19,987 He said, "Well, we found someone trying to break into your car." 358 00:21:20,862 --> 00:21:22,322 He was polite. 359 00:21:22,406 --> 00:21:25,367 He asked me if I wanted to come out to the car with him 360 00:21:25,450 --> 00:21:27,160 and see if anything was missing. 361 00:21:27,828 --> 00:21:30,831 So we got out to my car, and I could see in the car 362 00:21:30,914 --> 00:21:32,374 that nothing was missing. 363 00:21:32,457 --> 00:21:34,584 And he kept leaning forward like he wanted me 364 00:21:34,668 --> 00:21:37,546 to look further in the car, but I wouldn't. 365 00:21:37,629 --> 00:21:39,172 I just said, "Nothing's missing." 366 00:21:40,007 --> 00:21:43,218 And that's when he said, "Well, they're holding this guy 367 00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:45,053 down at the police station. 368 00:21:45,554 --> 00:21:48,307 Do you have time to come down there 369 00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:50,726 and fill out a complaint against him?" 370 00:21:51,351 --> 00:21:54,730 And then I said, "Do you have some kind of identification?" 371 00:21:54,813 --> 00:21:58,442 'Cause I-- I just was starting to feel a little uneasy 372 00:21:58,525 --> 00:22:00,736 and I thought I could smell alcohol. 373 00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:03,447 And that's when he just promptly pulled out his wallet 374 00:22:03,530 --> 00:22:05,115 and showed me a badge, 375 00:22:05,198 --> 00:22:07,034 and I went, "Oh, okay." 376 00:22:07,617 --> 00:22:09,328 He drove a Volkswagen, 377 00:22:09,411 --> 00:22:12,831 which I thought, "Well, that's kind of odd, but maybe he's undercover." 378 00:22:13,790 --> 00:22:15,292 And I got in. 379 00:22:16,043 --> 00:22:18,712 He headed down a side street... 380 00:22:19,421 --> 00:22:21,882 and then he suddenly pulled over 381 00:22:21,965 --> 00:22:25,385 up on the side of a curb by an elementary school. 382 00:22:26,178 --> 00:22:29,931 And that's when I just started freaking out, "What are we doing?" 383 00:22:30,474 --> 00:22:32,100 And he grabbed my arm 384 00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:35,228 and he got one handcuff on one wrist, 385 00:22:35,312 --> 00:22:38,940 and he didn't get the other one on, and the one was just dangling. 386 00:22:39,024 --> 00:22:42,861 I had never been so frightened in my entire life. 387 00:22:44,863 --> 00:22:48,700 And I know this is cliché, but my whole life went before my eyes. 388 00:22:50,827 --> 00:22:54,915 I thought, "My God, my parents are never gonna know what happened to me." 389 00:22:55,749 --> 00:22:58,168 The next thing I knew, he had pulled out a gun 390 00:22:58,251 --> 00:22:59,795 and said, "I'll blow your head off." 391 00:23:00,879 --> 00:23:04,424 I just thought, "Go ahead. Just go ahead. 392 00:23:04,508 --> 00:23:06,259 Do it. Just kill me now." 393 00:23:06,927 --> 00:23:09,805 But I just found the door, jumped out of the car. 394 00:23:09,888 --> 00:23:13,558 He came out after me, and we struggled outside. 395 00:23:13,642 --> 00:23:17,062 He had a crowbar. He was trying to hit me over the head. 396 00:23:17,437 --> 00:23:19,648 I had my hand on top. I could feel it. 397 00:23:19,731 --> 00:23:23,610 I just fought with all my might, thrashing with him and fighting. 398 00:23:23,693 --> 00:23:25,695 My fingers nails were all broken. 399 00:23:25,779 --> 00:23:29,324 I remember his beady, blank, lifeless eyes. 400 00:23:35,372 --> 00:23:38,834 At that time, a car started coming the other direction. 401 00:23:38,917 --> 00:23:41,461 And that's when I broke loose and ran to the car 402 00:23:42,546 --> 00:23:45,799 I flew open their door and jumped in on them, 403 00:23:45,882 --> 00:23:49,803 and I said, "Take me to the police station." 404 00:23:49,886 --> 00:23:52,013 I was just hysterical. 405 00:23:54,808 --> 00:23:59,146 I was very lucky and it was really shocking to find out later 406 00:23:59,229 --> 00:24:02,524 that he was so angry that I had gotten away 407 00:24:02,607 --> 00:24:05,986 he just drove somewhere else and killed someone else. 408 00:24:12,534 --> 00:24:15,620 [reporter] Debra Kent was attending a play with Viewmont High School. 409 00:24:16,329 --> 00:24:18,748 She left the play early to pick up her brother. 410 00:24:19,291 --> 00:24:21,001 Debbie never got to her car. 411 00:24:22,335 --> 00:24:25,297 The same night that Carol DaRonch was kidnapped, 412 00:24:26,089 --> 00:24:30,260 Debbie Kent was abducted in a parking lot north of Salt Lake. 413 00:24:31,470 --> 00:24:35,182 Found in the parking lot was a handcuff key. 414 00:24:36,433 --> 00:24:40,729 And the key fit my handcuff that I had had on me. 415 00:24:40,812 --> 00:24:43,398 [reporter] Police believe the key was from the same handcuffs 416 00:24:43,482 --> 00:24:46,109 used to kidnap Carol DaRonch 417 00:24:46,193 --> 00:24:49,863 four hours earlier, the same night Debbie Kent disappeared. 418 00:24:51,198 --> 00:24:54,659 [Michaud] Now there's a witness and real evidence. 419 00:24:54,743 --> 00:24:57,412 The police are starting to make connections. 420 00:25:06,213 --> 00:25:07,714 [McChesney] It had been a number of months, 421 00:25:07,797 --> 00:25:11,259 and we had run out of leads to pursue 422 00:25:11,343 --> 00:25:13,803 for the missing women in the State of Washington. 423 00:25:14,304 --> 00:25:18,975 So, sometimes you have to rely on people who might... 424 00:25:19,726 --> 00:25:21,228 by circumstance, 425 00:25:21,311 --> 00:25:23,021 find something. 426 00:25:26,107 --> 00:25:28,443 [Lucas] I got a call from a friend in the police department. 427 00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:30,362 And he said, "Get your butt up to Taylor Mountain." 428 00:25:30,445 --> 00:25:32,572 I said, "What's going on?" And he said, "Just go." 429 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,117 So I went up there with some of the Seattle homicide detectives, 430 00:25:36,201 --> 00:25:39,162 and, uh, they told me that they had found bodies. 431 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,832 [Keppel] It was a group of student foresters 432 00:25:42,916 --> 00:25:45,961 marking trees on Taylor Mountain, 433 00:25:46,044 --> 00:25:49,506 and they found the skull of Brenda Ball, 434 00:25:50,131 --> 00:25:51,132 laying in the woods. 435 00:25:55,345 --> 00:25:57,430 They called the Sheriff's Office 436 00:25:57,514 --> 00:26:02,477 and we began a search ourselves with our own search and rescue volunteers. 437 00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:08,817 And we discovered, a hundred feet apart, the remains of three other women. 438 00:26:09,234 --> 00:26:11,194 It was pretty much of a nightmare. 439 00:26:14,906 --> 00:26:17,033 [young Keppel] We keep finding more and more everyday. 440 00:26:17,117 --> 00:26:19,703 You get into that woods and you just don't know what's in there. 441 00:26:19,786 --> 00:26:23,331 It's so thick and so overgrown with bushes... 442 00:26:23,915 --> 00:26:26,084 that you could find anything, you know... 443 00:26:26,418 --> 00:26:28,712 uh, a couple of hours from now or five minutes from now. 444 00:26:28,795 --> 00:26:29,629 It doesn't matter. 445 00:26:37,137 --> 00:26:41,141 [Michaud] What do you think can be surmised about Taylor Mountain? 446 00:26:41,808 --> 00:26:45,061 [Bundy] About the Taylor Mountain crime scene? 447 00:26:46,187 --> 00:26:48,398 We can make a reasonable guess... 448 00:26:49,274 --> 00:26:52,777 that this individual was clearly trying to cover up his crimes. 449 00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:55,447 When a body was left there, 450 00:26:55,530 --> 00:26:58,617 the animals in the area were doing, you know, 451 00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:00,160 his work for him. 452 00:27:00,243 --> 00:27:01,953 And he would continue to go back there 453 00:27:02,037 --> 00:27:04,456 simply because he had his own garbage disposal. 454 00:27:06,166 --> 00:27:09,544 [reporter] Remains of six missing girls were found at the same site. 455 00:27:09,628 --> 00:27:13,089 The skeletal remains of 21-year-old Linda Ann Healy, 456 00:27:13,173 --> 00:27:16,051 22-year-old Brenda Ball of Seattle, 457 00:27:16,134 --> 00:27:19,929 18-year-old Susan Elaine Rancourt of Anchorage, Alaska, 458 00:27:20,013 --> 00:27:24,851 and 20-year-old Roberta Kathleen Parks from Lafayette, California. 459 00:27:24,934 --> 00:27:28,271 Just a few miles away from the place where those four were found, 460 00:27:28,563 --> 00:27:31,316 police identified two other murdered girls. 461 00:27:31,399 --> 00:27:35,070 These two disappeared from the same place, Lake Sammamish State Park. 462 00:27:35,153 --> 00:27:37,280 They were 23-year-old Janice Ott... 463 00:27:38,073 --> 00:27:40,533 and 18-year-old Denise Naslund. 464 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,956 [McChesney] The women were abducted from entirely different locations, 465 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,502 but were ultimately found up at Taylor Mountain. 466 00:27:51,002 --> 00:27:53,421 And so, at that point, 467 00:27:53,505 --> 00:27:55,006 we were quite sure that... 468 00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:59,260 the women who had been missing and the women who had been found 469 00:27:59,344 --> 00:28:01,805 were all killed by the same person. 470 00:28:04,557 --> 00:28:08,853 I began reporting that this person was a serial killer. 471 00:28:09,562 --> 00:28:11,439 So-- I think we were the first station 472 00:28:11,523 --> 00:28:13,942 that began making that assumption on the air. 473 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,778 Other reporters then began jumping on the story. 474 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,199 [reporter] And Mackie, the Taylor Mountain is sort of known as a lover's lane. 475 00:28:21,282 --> 00:28:24,119 There's evidence to indicate it if you look around the ground. 476 00:28:25,286 --> 00:28:28,206 -Can you be a bit more specific, please? -Can you formulate any hypothesis-- 477 00:28:28,289 --> 00:28:33,837 Can you formulate an hypothesis that maybe this-- the subject, uh, 478 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,839 was first a lover, then a killer? 479 00:28:36,756 --> 00:28:37,716 Well... 480 00:28:38,633 --> 00:28:41,386 you can conjecture all you want on that, 481 00:28:41,469 --> 00:28:45,640 but the problem that we have in this-- these cases, is-- 482 00:28:46,015 --> 00:28:49,477 is different than most homicide cases. We don't know the way they were killed. 483 00:28:49,561 --> 00:28:53,273 So it's pretty hard to make any judgment on this at all... 484 00:28:53,815 --> 00:28:56,943 of how they were killed, because all we've found is bones. 485 00:28:59,696 --> 00:29:02,407 [McChesney] The remains were found scattered apart, 486 00:29:02,490 --> 00:29:05,034 affected and impacted by animals. 487 00:29:05,118 --> 00:29:08,079 We didn't have the technology that we have now. 488 00:29:08,163 --> 00:29:11,082 We didn't have the DNA capabilities. 489 00:29:12,125 --> 00:29:15,628 [young Keppel] The evidence that we had initially found on our bodies... 490 00:29:16,713 --> 00:29:18,548 was almost non-existent 491 00:29:18,631 --> 00:29:21,926 It kind of sounds morbid to say this, but we were hoping for another body 492 00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:23,595 with more evidence on it 493 00:29:23,678 --> 00:29:26,139 than what we could produce from the ones we had. 494 00:29:27,140 --> 00:29:29,768 [McChesney] We still didn't have an offender named, 495 00:29:29,851 --> 00:29:32,520 and it was still quite a mystery. 496 00:29:36,232 --> 00:29:38,234 [birds chirping] 497 00:29:42,113 --> 00:29:43,615 [Lucas] After working in Seattle, 498 00:29:43,698 --> 00:29:46,576 I got the job with the TV station in Denver, Colorado. 499 00:29:46,951 --> 00:29:49,829 When I got there, I realized that, by coincidence, 500 00:29:49,913 --> 00:29:52,499 there was also a problem with missing and murdered women 501 00:29:52,582 --> 00:29:53,750 throughout Colorado. 502 00:29:57,670 --> 00:30:01,591 I felt that I was following this trail of terror 503 00:30:01,674 --> 00:30:03,968 from the northwest to Colorado. 504 00:30:04,052 --> 00:30:09,015 On January 12th, 1975, Caryn Campbell disappeared from the Wildwood Inn. 505 00:30:10,517 --> 00:30:13,853 [man] Caryn Campbell was a young woman on vacation 506 00:30:13,937 --> 00:30:17,357 with her fiancé, I believe, and his children. 507 00:30:17,816 --> 00:30:19,901 [female reporter] Caryn Campbell sat with her fiancé, 508 00:30:19,984 --> 00:30:21,236 Dr. Raymond Gadowski, 509 00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:23,947 in front of a fire in the lobby of the Wildwood Inn. 510 00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:26,950 They had just finished dinner at a restaurant, The Stew Pot. 511 00:30:27,033 --> 00:30:29,285 Miss Campbell wanted a magazine from her room. 512 00:30:29,369 --> 00:30:31,788 About eight o'clock in the evening, she caught the elevator 513 00:30:31,871 --> 00:30:32,872 to the second floor. 514 00:30:32,956 --> 00:30:36,084 That was the last time Gadowski saw her alive. 515 00:30:38,169 --> 00:30:42,924 Thirty-six days later, her nude body was found almost three miles away. 516 00:30:43,007 --> 00:30:45,844 Though the body was partially destroyed by animals, 517 00:30:45,927 --> 00:30:49,055 the coroner was able to establish that Miss Campbell had died 518 00:30:49,138 --> 00:30:53,184 about two hours after the dinner at The Stew Pot on January 12th. 519 00:30:54,602 --> 00:30:56,271 [Leidner] Caryn Campbell's family 520 00:30:56,354 --> 00:30:58,690 must have gone through all kinds of anguish. 521 00:30:59,357 --> 00:31:01,067 Her body was found... 522 00:31:01,818 --> 00:31:05,947 and it had been out there for the greater part of the winter. 523 00:31:06,614 --> 00:31:09,742 I can't imagine how they dealt with it. I cannot imagine. 524 00:31:11,744 --> 00:31:15,582 It was a big deal, because murders didn't happen in Aspen. 525 00:31:17,959 --> 00:31:21,629 And then there were at least two other killings in Colorado. 526 00:31:22,088 --> 00:31:23,798 [male reporter] Two more women have gone missing. 527 00:31:23,882 --> 00:31:27,051 Julie Cunningham, a 26-year-old woman from Vale, 528 00:31:27,135 --> 00:31:31,097 and Denise Oliverson, a 24-year-old from Grand Junction. 529 00:31:31,389 --> 00:31:33,349 Their whereabouts are unknown. 530 00:31:34,601 --> 00:31:38,897 They both vanished without a witness, without a sign, without anything. 531 00:31:39,814 --> 00:31:42,233 [reporter] Colorado authorities now add to their growing list 532 00:31:42,317 --> 00:31:43,818 of missing and murdered women. 533 00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:46,571 A coroner's report concludes that it is possible 534 00:31:47,071 --> 00:31:49,240 the same person killed these women. 535 00:31:50,116 --> 00:31:53,286 Somebody was getting away with murders. Many murders. 536 00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:55,038 It had all of the elements 537 00:31:55,121 --> 00:31:57,582 of what we feared was going on in the northwest. 538 00:31:58,333 --> 00:32:00,835 That was a pattern that somebody should have looked at. 539 00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:03,254 But these various police departments... 540 00:32:03,338 --> 00:32:05,506 they weren't sharing information across state lines. 541 00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:08,593 [Bundy] The inherent shortcomings of law enforcement 542 00:32:08,676 --> 00:32:10,428 make the detection of crime 543 00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:15,475 and the solution of crime an extremely difficult process. 544 00:32:15,558 --> 00:32:18,686 Defects in our system of law enforcement 545 00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:21,314 permit the individual to get away with it. 546 00:32:24,525 --> 00:32:28,488 [Michaud] Ted had pride in what he did. He really thought of himself as a hunter, 547 00:32:28,947 --> 00:32:30,198 and he took big game, 548 00:32:30,531 --> 00:32:33,785 and he felt that he had achieved something really special... 549 00:32:34,494 --> 00:32:36,079 that nobody else had done 550 00:32:36,829 --> 00:32:38,539 because he was so damn good at it. 551 00:32:49,717 --> 00:32:51,594 [DaRonch] Almost a year later, 552 00:32:51,678 --> 00:32:55,056 the police had no suspect in my kidnapping. 553 00:32:56,349 --> 00:32:57,642 I thought about it all the time. 554 00:32:57,725 --> 00:33:00,645 I thought, "Why can't they find this man?" 555 00:33:01,437 --> 00:33:05,650 The police watched my house constantly, drove past all the time. 556 00:33:06,234 --> 00:33:10,321 My dad slept with his deer hunting rifle under his bed. 557 00:33:11,698 --> 00:33:13,992 I tried to move on with my life, 558 00:33:14,492 --> 00:33:17,203 but it was always in the back of my mind, 559 00:33:17,286 --> 00:33:19,998 "Where is this guy? Why can't they catch him?" 560 00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:27,922 [Yocom] One night, a highway patrolman, Bob Hayward, 561 00:33:28,297 --> 00:33:31,217 was in a residential area around Salt Lake City. 562 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:33,886 And he saw this VW automobile 563 00:33:33,970 --> 00:33:36,597 driving down the street with its lights off. 564 00:33:36,681 --> 00:33:39,976 He became very suspicious and tried to stop the vehicle. 565 00:33:40,727 --> 00:33:42,812 It ran from him and he chased it... 566 00:33:43,271 --> 00:33:45,940 and finally stopped it and pulled it over. 567 00:33:46,816 --> 00:33:49,527 [Bundy] It was a freak occurrence that brought me in contact with Hayward 568 00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:51,571 at two o'clock in the morning. 569 00:33:51,654 --> 00:33:53,156 We're talking about luck. 570 00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:56,200 [Yocom] The driver was arrested for failing to stop 571 00:33:56,284 --> 00:33:57,744 at the command a police officer. 572 00:34:00,830 --> 00:34:03,166 He was identified as Ted Bundy. 573 00:34:04,834 --> 00:34:08,796 [man] Mr. Bundy wanted to hire a lawyer, so he called me and said, 574 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,299 "I've been arrested, and I need to see a lawyer." 575 00:34:11,382 --> 00:34:12,967 Made an appointment and came in. 576 00:34:13,968 --> 00:34:18,556 John O'Connell was the other lawyer and eventually became lead counsel. 577 00:34:20,516 --> 00:34:23,394 Initially, it just seemed like a minor matter. 578 00:34:23,478 --> 00:34:25,063 Misdemeanor charges. 579 00:34:25,146 --> 00:34:29,442 Seemed to be just a big mistake in a series of coincidences. 580 00:34:29,525 --> 00:34:32,236 Here's a guy that was a college graduate. 581 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,906 He was joining the LDS Church. 582 00:34:35,406 --> 00:34:38,951 My secretary at the time was a young lady who had dated him. 583 00:34:39,035 --> 00:34:42,622 He seemed like, uh, one of us, if you will. 584 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,085 But shortly thereafter, prosecutors got in touch with me 585 00:34:47,168 --> 00:34:49,837 and said, "We'd like you to come in and talk to you about this guy." 586 00:34:50,588 --> 00:34:53,591 We think there may be more to this than meets the eye. 587 00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:56,469 [female reporter] Police found a brown gym bag in his car, 588 00:34:56,552 --> 00:35:01,390 containing a ski mask, an ice pick, some strips of torn sheet. 589 00:35:01,891 --> 00:35:04,977 [Yocom] The items found in his vehicle were very suspicious. 590 00:35:05,228 --> 00:35:08,523 There was a pry bar, pantyhose, there were handcuffs. 591 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,442 He also matched the description of the individual 592 00:35:11,526 --> 00:35:13,903 that had attempted to kidnap Carol DaRonch. 593 00:35:14,487 --> 00:35:18,032 So the investigation of Ted Bundy began in earnest. 594 00:35:20,326 --> 00:35:23,454 The police called to say they had a suspect 595 00:35:23,538 --> 00:35:25,957 and they want to know if I could come down 596 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,543 and look at him in a lineup. 597 00:35:29,377 --> 00:35:32,755 It was a relief to think that they had caught someone. 598 00:35:34,006 --> 00:35:37,176 Ted called me unexpectedly at home 599 00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:39,846 and said that he was upset. 600 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,766 He explained to me that he had been arrested 601 00:35:43,850 --> 00:35:47,770 and that he was scheduled the following day to be in a lineup. 602 00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:52,066 His demeanor at that time was unlike him. 603 00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:55,653 He was usually so well ordered, so... calm. 604 00:35:56,237 --> 00:35:59,365 But there was something very upsetting in this to him. 605 00:35:59,448 --> 00:36:00,408 I could tell. 606 00:36:00,950 --> 00:36:03,995 That made me, uh, suspicious. 607 00:36:07,498 --> 00:36:09,959 [Yocom] When Ted was brought in for a lineup, 608 00:36:10,042 --> 00:36:13,796 he had changed his appearance completely from the few days before. 609 00:36:16,090 --> 00:36:20,761 He had his hair cut off and he changed his part from one side to the other, 610 00:36:20,845 --> 00:36:22,471 and he made himself look completely different. 611 00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:27,435 So we had to scramble to get other people in the lineup 612 00:36:27,518 --> 00:36:29,270 to look like him at the time. 613 00:36:29,770 --> 00:36:33,441 It so happened the only people available were law enforcement officers. 614 00:36:35,067 --> 00:36:38,321 [DaRonch] They brought me into the police station and sat me down. 615 00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:41,866 And they had them walk out and turn around and talk. 616 00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:45,244 And I recognized him immediately. 617 00:36:46,412 --> 00:36:51,292 The minute he walked in, when I saw him walk, I knew it was him. 618 00:36:52,668 --> 00:36:55,755 [Bundy] People built a case around a non-existent eyewitness. 619 00:36:55,838 --> 00:36:58,424 Eyewitness identification was built by the police. 620 00:36:58,507 --> 00:36:59,508 But I kept it together, 621 00:36:59,592 --> 00:37:01,677 because there's no point in destroying myself. 622 00:37:01,761 --> 00:37:05,389 I have got to keep myself together. I've got to keep my presence of mind. 623 00:37:05,473 --> 00:37:08,768 Because as long as I do that, I am going to beat these people. 624 00:37:11,020 --> 00:37:13,022 [Lubeck] After those identifications, 625 00:37:13,105 --> 00:37:16,442 he was charged very quickly with the kidnapping. 626 00:37:16,984 --> 00:37:20,821 And things changed from there, as we got to know more. 627 00:37:23,783 --> 00:37:26,953 [Michaud] The front page of the Seattle Post Intelligencer 628 00:37:27,036 --> 00:37:31,332 has a headline which reads, "Is 'Utah Ted' the 'Seattle Ted?'" 629 00:37:31,874 --> 00:37:34,210 [McChesney] From that moment on, we thought, 630 00:37:34,293 --> 00:37:38,965 "This might be the 'Ted' that we were looking for." 631 00:37:39,757 --> 00:37:44,136 [reporter] Is Ted Bundy indeed a suspect in your cases in King County? 632 00:37:45,137 --> 00:37:49,558 Well, it-- it's-- It's common knowledge that he is. 633 00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:54,063 [Michaud] That is when the states start talking to one another. 634 00:37:55,273 --> 00:37:57,817 [male reporter] Investigators from multiple Western states 635 00:37:57,900 --> 00:37:59,402 are convening in Aspen today 636 00:37:59,485 --> 00:38:01,779 to compare notes on missing women cases 637 00:38:02,154 --> 00:38:05,324 that could be connected to Theodore Robert Bundy. 638 00:38:05,408 --> 00:38:08,661 It's the first multi-state conference of its kind. 639 00:38:09,161 --> 00:38:12,915 [Keppel] We were wondering if what happened to the Colorado victim 640 00:38:12,999 --> 00:38:16,127 looks like what happened to the Utah victim 641 00:38:16,210 --> 00:38:19,297 and looks like what happened to the Washington State victim. 642 00:38:20,131 --> 00:38:23,259 [Yocom] There were similar characteristics to the homicides. 643 00:38:23,342 --> 00:38:26,637 But at the time, the kidnapping case of Carol DaRonch 644 00:38:26,721 --> 00:38:28,764 was the best case against Ted Bundy. 645 00:38:28,848 --> 00:38:33,102 The next step was to put the case together and, uh, bring it to trial. 646 00:38:33,185 --> 00:38:37,273 The responsibility that was placed on my shoulders is the lead prosecutor. 647 00:38:39,108 --> 00:38:42,028 [Preece] The reaction of the people in our church branch 648 00:38:42,111 --> 00:38:45,614 that had known Ted was one of incredulity. 649 00:38:45,906 --> 00:38:50,161 They just knew that he was innocent of all charges. 650 00:38:50,244 --> 00:38:52,204 That was-- That was their feeling. 651 00:38:52,788 --> 00:38:55,708 Surely, this couldn't be true of Ted Bundy. 652 00:38:57,126 --> 00:39:01,339 [Vortman] Ted called me up, told me he was in jail in Utah. 653 00:39:01,422 --> 00:39:04,425 And I said, "Okay, I'll come down and see you, hold your hand." 654 00:39:04,967 --> 00:39:07,511 I flew down to Salt Lake and put myself up. 655 00:39:08,012 --> 00:39:10,056 [Preece] The branch members wondered, 656 00:39:10,139 --> 00:39:13,142 "What can we do to make people know that he's not guilty?" 657 00:39:13,225 --> 00:39:15,519 And they flocked to his defense. 658 00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:22,068 [DaRonch] I remember running into a woman in my subdivision, 659 00:39:22,151 --> 00:39:25,696 and she had said, you know, "Carol, are you sure you have the right guy?" 660 00:39:26,155 --> 00:39:29,658 She was questioning me just because he was a college student 661 00:39:29,742 --> 00:39:31,494 and... charming, 662 00:39:31,577 --> 00:39:33,913 good-looking, smart... 663 00:39:34,497 --> 00:39:36,082 and it was frustrating. 664 00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:47,051 [Lubeck] We went to trial in February of '76. 665 00:39:47,968 --> 00:39:49,220 There was a lot of publicity. 666 00:39:50,429 --> 00:39:52,098 Ted wanted to be involved. 667 00:39:52,181 --> 00:39:55,810 He would look up cases and come to us with ideas. 668 00:39:55,893 --> 00:39:58,813 He said, "I didn't do anything. I'm not worried about it." 669 00:39:58,896 --> 00:40:01,982 It was pretty evident that he relished the fight. 670 00:40:03,609 --> 00:40:07,822 Ted presented himself as a clean-cut, boy-next-door type 671 00:40:07,905 --> 00:40:11,325 and he had a following in the courtroom that gave him a lot of confidence. 672 00:40:11,659 --> 00:40:14,537 [reporter] You mentioned that it was, uh, an education for the justice system. 673 00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:16,580 How do you feel about the justice system in general 674 00:40:16,664 --> 00:40:17,832 based on your experience? 675 00:40:17,915 --> 00:40:20,459 Well, I'm sure it works and you've gotta have faith it'll work 676 00:40:20,543 --> 00:40:23,504 or else you'd be reduced to some kind of, uh... 677 00:40:23,587 --> 00:40:24,922 you know, mumbling idiot. 678 00:40:25,005 --> 00:40:27,383 Does that mean, uh, ultimately you want to get involved 679 00:40:27,466 --> 00:40:29,927 -in the criminal justice system? -Well... [chuckles] 680 00:40:30,010 --> 00:40:33,264 Um, a funny thing happened to me on the way to labor law class one morning. 681 00:40:33,347 --> 00:40:36,183 I got two weeks in the spa on the third floor up here. 682 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:40,438 And, yes, I intend to complete my legal education to become a lawyer 683 00:40:40,521 --> 00:40:42,356 and be a damn good lawyer. 684 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,775 Uh, I think things are going to work out. 685 00:40:44,859 --> 00:40:46,277 That's about all I can say. 686 00:40:49,697 --> 00:40:53,826 [Yocom] Prior to the trial, Ted had waived his right to a jury trial 687 00:40:53,909 --> 00:40:57,496 and decided to try the case before Judge Hanson without a jury, 688 00:40:57,580 --> 00:41:01,417 so the judge would make the decision on guilt or innocence alone 689 00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:02,585 without a jury there. 690 00:41:03,627 --> 00:41:05,629 [Lubeck] We felt pretty good about the trial. 691 00:41:06,213 --> 00:41:07,923 Carol DaRonch was not strong. 692 00:41:08,507 --> 00:41:10,009 She wasn't real certain of herself. 693 00:41:11,177 --> 00:41:13,637 [DaRonch] There were tons of people at the trial. 694 00:41:13,721 --> 00:41:17,933 I had never done anything like that before and I was frightened. 695 00:41:18,476 --> 00:41:21,061 [man] Did he look different today than as you remembered him to? 696 00:41:21,145 --> 00:41:23,314 He's looked different every time. He's changed his appearance. 697 00:41:23,397 --> 00:41:24,523 [man] Different all the time? 698 00:41:25,357 --> 00:41:27,359 [DaRonch] I was on the stand for hours. 699 00:41:28,402 --> 00:41:32,156 They were always trying to confuse me or trip me up... 700 00:41:33,032 --> 00:41:34,241 but I didn't care. 701 00:41:35,451 --> 00:41:37,745 [Bundy] When Carol DaRonch came to testify, 702 00:41:37,828 --> 00:41:40,080 I was beside myself with rage. 703 00:41:40,164 --> 00:41:43,667 Uh, she is turning into a professional witness as far as I'm concerned. 704 00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:47,296 I pointed at him and said, "He was the one. 705 00:41:47,379 --> 00:41:50,174 He was the man that tried to kidnap me." 706 00:41:50,716 --> 00:41:52,551 [Bundy] When I heard her go through that routine, 707 00:41:52,635 --> 00:41:54,803 I got very, very angry and indignant. 708 00:41:54,887 --> 00:41:57,765 And I got up and I pointed at the judge and pointed at her 709 00:41:57,848 --> 00:42:01,101 and I said, "She's lying. She's lied before, and she's lying now. 710 00:42:01,185 --> 00:42:03,521 [DaRonch] I just thought he was really arrogant 711 00:42:03,604 --> 00:42:06,065 and always had a smirk on his face. 712 00:42:06,982 --> 00:42:09,109 [Bundy] There is no right way for me to act. 713 00:42:09,193 --> 00:42:11,070 I showed emotion. You know what people said? 714 00:42:11,153 --> 00:42:14,198 "See? He really can get violent and angry." 715 00:42:14,281 --> 00:42:16,867 And I don't care what people think about how I act. 716 00:42:16,951 --> 00:42:20,663 I act according to the way I think is right and best for me at the time. 717 00:42:21,705 --> 00:42:24,500 I just think he thought he was gonna get away with it. 718 00:42:26,502 --> 00:42:29,004 [male news anchor] Theodore Robert Bundy, at age 25, 719 00:42:29,088 --> 00:42:31,340 a Republican campaign worker in Seattle. 720 00:42:31,966 --> 00:42:34,468 At 28, a University of Utah law student. 721 00:42:35,052 --> 00:42:37,429 At 29, a convicted Utah kidnapper. 722 00:42:45,646 --> 00:42:47,982 [man] I just heard this afternoon that... 723 00:42:48,065 --> 00:42:50,776 the Salt Lake prosecutors had obtained a conviction. 724 00:42:51,151 --> 00:42:52,444 And I just think they did 725 00:42:52,528 --> 00:42:54,572 a thoroughly professional, outstanding job, 726 00:42:54,655 --> 00:42:57,616 and I congratulate them on having succeeded. 727 00:42:59,076 --> 00:43:00,869 [Lubeck] During the sentencing proceedings, 728 00:43:00,953 --> 00:43:04,290 Ted was eventually given what is called a 90-day evaluation, 729 00:43:04,373 --> 00:43:07,084 where he went to the Utah State Prison for an evaluation. 730 00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:12,631 [man] I was a psychologist doing evaluations for the judge 731 00:43:12,715 --> 00:43:17,177 about whether he wants to send the person to prison or be put on probation. 732 00:43:17,595 --> 00:43:20,180 The question was not whether or not he committed the crime. 733 00:43:20,264 --> 00:43:21,890 He'd been found guilty. 734 00:43:21,974 --> 00:43:24,810 The question was whether or not is he violent. 735 00:43:25,686 --> 00:43:29,940 There were so many people who said, "He couldn't have done these things. 736 00:43:30,024 --> 00:43:32,610 He just doesn't have the personality." 737 00:43:32,693 --> 00:43:36,363 And so that's what was so fascinating-- It was a big mystery. 738 00:43:37,031 --> 00:43:38,365 And I like mysteries. 739 00:43:40,034 --> 00:43:42,119 My introduction to Ted: 740 00:43:42,202 --> 00:43:45,497 He walks toward me with a smile on his face, 741 00:43:45,914 --> 00:43:47,207 looking very nice. 742 00:43:47,833 --> 00:43:49,710 You know, his clothes were pressed. 743 00:43:50,461 --> 00:43:51,337 And... 744 00:43:52,338 --> 00:43:54,798 he extended his hand and says, 745 00:43:55,341 --> 00:43:58,344 "Hi, I'm Ted Bundy. You must be Dr. Carlisle." 746 00:43:59,178 --> 00:44:00,596 [Bundy] The psychologist-- 747 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:03,474 Well, he was an asshole, but there must be, uh... 748 00:44:03,557 --> 00:44:06,852 some better words to describe that kind of mentality. 749 00:44:06,935 --> 00:44:10,230 I-- I probably spoke to him more often 750 00:44:10,314 --> 00:44:12,775 during the time I was at the Utah State Prison 751 00:44:12,858 --> 00:44:14,985 than any other prison official. 752 00:44:16,779 --> 00:44:19,782 [Carlisle] In essence, I says, "Okay, Ted, to understand you. 753 00:44:19,865 --> 00:44:21,825 I wanna talk about your life." 754 00:44:23,619 --> 00:44:27,873 Bundy always painted a very positive picture... 755 00:44:27,956 --> 00:44:31,001 of his mother, of his grandparents. 756 00:44:31,377 --> 00:44:34,129 [Bundy] Most of my close friends, we played pee wee football. 757 00:44:34,213 --> 00:44:37,424 I later went out for the track team. I did well in academics. 758 00:44:37,841 --> 00:44:41,095 Never had any trouble. Not even a suggestion of trouble. 759 00:44:41,553 --> 00:44:44,723 I talked to the family. They thought he was wonderful. 760 00:44:46,141 --> 00:44:49,103 [Mrs. Bundy] We still don't believe it. It just-- just can't be. 761 00:44:49,186 --> 00:44:52,439 I keep shaking my head, saying, "How can this be?" 762 00:44:52,523 --> 00:44:54,566 Because he had lots of friends, 763 00:44:55,234 --> 00:44:59,279 very good student in school, was a very normal, active boy. 764 00:45:00,114 --> 00:45:02,449 [voice wavering] Our son is the best son in the world. 765 00:45:03,367 --> 00:45:06,036 [Carlisle] I talked to a few people in Salt Lake. 766 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,872 I talked to some girlfriends. 767 00:45:09,665 --> 00:45:12,292 There were those who said, "No, there's another side. 768 00:45:12,376 --> 00:45:13,669 There's a dark side of him." 769 00:45:15,129 --> 00:45:18,048 One girl told me they went swimming together... 770 00:45:18,674 --> 00:45:22,720 and he pushes her head underwater and holds it there. 771 00:45:23,929 --> 00:45:25,097 He lets her up, 772 00:45:25,514 --> 00:45:26,598 takes a breath, 773 00:45:26,682 --> 00:45:28,225 he pushes her down again. 774 00:45:30,102 --> 00:45:32,563 And she's thinking, "He's trying to kill me." 775 00:45:35,065 --> 00:45:37,526 And I found out that there was this big... 776 00:45:38,152 --> 00:45:42,322 event that occurred, which I think was really something powerful. 777 00:45:43,115 --> 00:45:45,367 When he was about 14 years old, 778 00:45:45,451 --> 00:45:49,288 in an old trunk, he found his birth certificate 779 00:45:49,371 --> 00:45:52,082 and in the spot where it says, "father," 780 00:45:53,167 --> 00:45:55,169 it said, "unknown." 781 00:45:57,421 --> 00:46:00,549 So that's how he found out that he was illegitimate. 782 00:46:02,718 --> 00:46:04,887 [Michaud] Ted's mother, Louise, became pregnant 783 00:46:04,970 --> 00:46:08,390 and had him in a home for unwed mothers. 784 00:46:08,474 --> 00:46:11,477 Then she left. She went home. 785 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,479 She didn't intend to keep the child. 786 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,566 But her father, Ted's grandfather, insisted, 787 00:46:17,649 --> 00:46:20,611 "No, you go back and get that boy and bring him home." 788 00:46:22,738 --> 00:46:26,241 [Carlisle] When I ask him about that, he says, "Oh, that was no problem. 789 00:46:26,742 --> 00:46:28,452 That didn't bother me at all." 790 00:46:28,952 --> 00:46:31,955 [Bundy] This, of course, this illegitimacy issue is... 791 00:46:32,414 --> 00:46:34,750 for the amateur psychologist it's the thing. 792 00:46:34,833 --> 00:46:37,669 I mean, it's so stupid. It just bugs the shit out of me. 793 00:46:37,753 --> 00:46:39,171 I don't know what to do about it. 794 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,673 How many people are in fact-- 795 00:46:41,757 --> 00:46:44,968 find out that they are illegitimate, or even adopted, at a later age? 796 00:46:45,052 --> 00:46:46,094 It's normal. 797 00:46:47,304 --> 00:46:50,349 Denial, denial, denial, denial. 798 00:46:50,432 --> 00:46:52,601 To me, that was a big red flag. 799 00:46:53,352 --> 00:46:55,771 [Bundy] The prison psychologist hoped so much 800 00:46:55,854 --> 00:46:58,273 that he himself would be responsible 801 00:46:58,357 --> 00:47:00,943 for opening Ted Bundy up for the world to see... 802 00:47:01,026 --> 00:47:05,322 what was ticking inside Bundy's obviously devious mind. 803 00:47:06,657 --> 00:47:10,661 [Michaud] It turns out that Ted's grandfather had a violent streak. 804 00:47:11,370 --> 00:47:13,580 And there was ample reason to suspect 805 00:47:13,664 --> 00:47:16,416 that Ted suffered some sort of abuse as a child, 806 00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:17,918 psychological or physical. 807 00:47:19,795 --> 00:47:22,589 [Carlisle] We were getting close to the end of all this interviewing, 808 00:47:22,673 --> 00:47:25,425 and Ted and I were standing outside the office. 809 00:47:25,509 --> 00:47:28,720 He says, "Al, do you believe I killed those girls 810 00:47:28,804 --> 00:47:31,223 that they suspect me of in the Northwest?" 811 00:47:32,307 --> 00:47:34,726 And I hadn't mentioned them. 812 00:47:35,477 --> 00:47:37,855 And I paused for just a moment. 813 00:47:37,938 --> 00:47:39,481 What I said was, 814 00:47:39,565 --> 00:47:42,734 "Ted, I don't know, but I think if you did, you'll do it again." 815 00:47:43,527 --> 00:47:45,904 He just looked at me for just a moment... 816 00:47:46,321 --> 00:47:49,992 and then he went back down the corridor to his cell. 817 00:47:50,534 --> 00:47:53,036 And I submitted my report to the judge 818 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,540 saying that it was my opinion 819 00:47:56,623 --> 00:47:59,793 that Ted had a violent side to him. 820 00:48:01,128 --> 00:48:04,172 Judge Hanson sentenced him to the Utah State Prison for, 821 00:48:04,256 --> 00:48:07,634 under Utah law, what's called an indeterminate term of one to 15 years. 822 00:48:11,138 --> 00:48:15,058 After he was sentenced to prison, I stayed in touch with him quite closely, 823 00:48:15,142 --> 00:48:17,477 much, much more so than any other client. 824 00:48:18,270 --> 00:48:20,564 And I went to see him frequently at the prison. 825 00:48:24,818 --> 00:48:27,237 [Bundy] I was in the visiting area of maximum security 826 00:48:27,321 --> 00:48:29,948 at the Utah State Prison with Bruce Lubeck. 827 00:48:30,032 --> 00:48:32,784 Bruce and I had been talking for no more than 15 minutes 828 00:48:32,868 --> 00:48:36,163 when the steel doors to security slid open. 829 00:48:36,747 --> 00:48:39,041 And into the room walked three men. 830 00:48:39,625 --> 00:48:42,586 They approached me and said, "Mr. Bundy, we have here... 831 00:48:42,669 --> 00:48:46,965 the warrant for your arrest for the murder of Caryn Campbell in Colorado. 832 00:48:50,677 --> 00:48:53,972 Bundy became an interest to Colorado because of good detective work. 833 00:48:55,265 --> 00:48:57,976 There was circumstantial evidence that put Bundy 834 00:48:58,060 --> 00:49:01,313 in the Wildwood Inn, in Snowmass. 835 00:49:02,606 --> 00:49:04,650 [Yocom] We had found, through a search warrant, 836 00:49:04,733 --> 00:49:07,319 in Ted's apartment in Salt Lake, 837 00:49:07,653 --> 00:49:10,656 a brochure advertising the Wildwood Inn 838 00:49:10,739 --> 00:49:12,741 where Caryn Campbell was staying. 839 00:49:12,824 --> 00:49:15,452 We gave that over to Colorado. 840 00:49:16,036 --> 00:49:20,248 [Michaud] Then the police in Colorado got Ted's gas slips, 841 00:49:20,332 --> 00:49:24,086 and they could place him within a few miles of Caryn Campbell 842 00:49:24,169 --> 00:49:25,337 on the night she disappeared. 843 00:49:26,254 --> 00:49:30,092 [Yocom] A witness came forward as seeing him in the elevator 844 00:49:30,175 --> 00:49:33,011 on the very day that Caryn was missing. 845 00:49:34,554 --> 00:49:38,350 [Leidner] He was, uh, charged first-degree murder with premeditation, 846 00:49:38,684 --> 00:49:41,103 which would have carried, at that time, the death penalty. 847 00:49:41,812 --> 00:49:46,149 Utah allowed him to be extradited back to Colorado, which is very unusual. 848 00:49:46,483 --> 00:49:50,112 But the Colorado case involved a murder, so it was more serious. 849 00:49:50,195 --> 00:49:53,031 [male news anchor] It was thought Bundy would fight extradition, 850 00:49:53,115 --> 00:49:56,535 but this morning he told a Utah judge he was ready to go to Colorado. 851 00:49:56,618 --> 00:49:58,453 [female reporter] Why did Ted decide to wave extradition? 852 00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:01,707 Well, he is confident that he can win in Colorado. 853 00:50:01,999 --> 00:50:04,626 He's confident that he can go over there, stand trial, and win. 854 00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:05,877 And that's what he's gonna do. 855 00:50:08,839 --> 00:50:12,759 [Yocom] He was placed in a jail in Aspen, awaiting trial there. 856 00:50:14,344 --> 00:50:15,679 [Lubeck] When he went to Colorado, 857 00:50:15,762 --> 00:50:19,224 we began to see a good deal of change in Mr. Bundy, the way he... 858 00:50:19,516 --> 00:50:21,184 reacted to the legal system. 859 00:50:22,310 --> 00:50:24,771 I went over to visit him in county jail, 860 00:50:24,855 --> 00:50:27,524 which was a trip back in history. 861 00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:32,320 Down in the basement, low ceiling, bars-- 862 00:50:32,404 --> 00:50:34,531 Just the classic old jail. 863 00:50:35,741 --> 00:50:38,618 Down there, he had gotten in a row with one of the guards. 864 00:50:38,702 --> 00:50:41,788 A very innocuous comment was made by the guard, 865 00:50:42,581 --> 00:50:44,958 but he got really, really angry. 866 00:50:45,042 --> 00:50:48,837 Red face, teeth bared, shaking... 867 00:50:50,213 --> 00:50:52,799 They were treating him just like everyone else. 868 00:50:52,883 --> 00:50:56,762 Like he was nothing special and he couldn't endure it. 869 00:50:58,263 --> 00:51:01,349 [Bundy] I don't like being locked up. I don't like my liberty taken away, 870 00:51:01,433 --> 00:51:03,226 and I don't like being treated like an animal, 871 00:51:03,310 --> 00:51:05,771 and I don't like people walking around and ogling me 872 00:51:05,854 --> 00:51:08,899 like I'm some sort of weirdo, because I'm not. 873 00:51:09,399 --> 00:51:11,193 Uh, being in prison... 874 00:51:11,943 --> 00:51:13,403 going through a kind of hell... 875 00:51:14,362 --> 00:51:18,617 matures a person, and I-- I think it's-- it's done good things for me. 876 00:51:20,952 --> 00:51:22,996 [Leidner] He wasn't one of my favorite clients. 877 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,040 He was very egocentric. 878 00:51:25,123 --> 00:51:26,333 When I would go to visit him, 879 00:51:26,416 --> 00:51:28,877 the only thing he would talk about is himself. 880 00:51:29,211 --> 00:51:30,462 He wouldn't talk about the case. 881 00:51:30,545 --> 00:51:32,923 He wouldn't talk about the cases in other states. 882 00:51:33,715 --> 00:51:36,343 The conversations were completely vapid 883 00:51:36,426 --> 00:51:38,595 and devoid of any content. 884 00:51:40,222 --> 00:51:43,642 Yeah, I know more about the-- My class is graduating in about a month. 885 00:51:44,851 --> 00:51:46,061 From law school. 886 00:51:46,144 --> 00:51:49,022 I'll bet you I know more about law than any of them. 887 00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:51,066 [woman] How does it make you feel that they are graduating? 888 00:51:51,149 --> 00:51:54,402 That pisses me off. [chuckles] Now, that does piss me off. 889 00:51:56,029 --> 00:52:00,158 [female reporter] Bundy spends his life inside this 16-cell county jail. 890 00:52:00,242 --> 00:52:02,327 He gets up at 6:30 in the morning, 891 00:52:02,410 --> 00:52:05,956 walks, he says, about two miles a day, pacing his cell. 892 00:52:06,373 --> 00:52:09,709 But he spends most of his time preparing his defense. 893 00:52:09,793 --> 00:52:12,629 First of all, I guess I should just ask how are you doing up here. 894 00:52:13,547 --> 00:52:15,257 It's a-- It's a-- 895 00:52:15,340 --> 00:52:17,843 short question deserving a long answer. Uh... 896 00:52:18,176 --> 00:52:20,637 I'm doing well. I feel good. Uh... 897 00:52:21,012 --> 00:52:22,639 Working hard on my case. 898 00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:24,474 Uh... 899 00:52:24,558 --> 00:52:27,060 Need a lot more sun and a lot more fresh air. 900 00:52:27,144 --> 00:52:28,562 But other than that, I'm doing okay. 901 00:52:28,645 --> 00:52:31,523 [woman] Do you get fresh air? Sun? Do you get out at all? 902 00:52:31,606 --> 00:52:35,902 Well, I get to go to the library. [chuckles] It's a 50-yard walk from here 903 00:52:35,986 --> 00:52:40,282 across the parking lot to the library. That's my fresh air. 904 00:52:40,365 --> 00:52:42,868 [reporter] Ted, when you left Salt Lake, when you were extradited, 905 00:52:42,951 --> 00:52:45,036 you issued a statement saying... 906 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,454 you feel that... 907 00:52:47,038 --> 00:52:49,416 everything will turn out all right, that you are innocent. 908 00:52:49,499 --> 00:52:50,500 Do you still feel that? 909 00:52:50,584 --> 00:52:52,878 You bet. Yeah, more than ever. 910 00:52:52,961 --> 00:52:55,463 I feel good about it, and yes, I feel that I'm right, 911 00:52:55,547 --> 00:52:57,299 and yes, I feel I'm going to make it. 912 00:52:57,382 --> 00:52:58,717 No doubt in my mind. 913 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,137 Gotta stick it up here more. 914 00:53:02,220 --> 00:53:04,514 Let me ask just a question here now, okay? 915 00:53:04,973 --> 00:53:06,308 You are not guilty? 916 00:53:07,350 --> 00:53:10,312 No, I'm not guilty. [laughs] 917 00:53:10,812 --> 00:53:14,774 Does that include the time I stole a comic book when I was five years old? 918 00:53:14,858 --> 00:53:18,028 [chuckles] I am not guilty of the charges which have been filed against me. 919 00:53:18,111 --> 00:53:19,571 And the allegations? 920 00:53:19,654 --> 00:53:22,073 -And the allegations. -And the rumors, and-- 921 00:53:22,157 --> 00:53:24,784 I don't know all of what you're speaking about, Lucky. 922 00:53:24,868 --> 00:53:27,787 It's too broad, and I can't get into it in any detail. 923 00:53:27,871 --> 00:53:29,039 Uh... 924 00:53:29,122 --> 00:53:31,708 But I'm satisfied with-- with my... 925 00:53:32,334 --> 00:53:34,377 blanket statement that I'm innocent. 926 00:53:34,794 --> 00:53:37,255 Uh, no man is truly innocent. 927 00:53:37,339 --> 00:53:40,967 I mean, we all transgressed in some way in our lives. 928 00:53:41,051 --> 00:53:42,260 And as I say I... 929 00:53:43,136 --> 00:53:44,262 I've been, uh... 930 00:53:44,346 --> 00:53:47,974 impolite and other things I regret having done in my life, 931 00:53:48,475 --> 00:53:50,227 uh, but... 932 00:53:50,810 --> 00:53:54,105 nothing like the things I think that you're referring to. 933 00:53:54,981 --> 00:53:56,942 [female reporter] Have you ever physically harmed anyone? 934 00:53:57,025 --> 00:53:58,818 "Ever physically harmed anyone"? 935 00:53:59,444 --> 00:54:00,445 No. 936 00:54:02,113 --> 00:54:03,031 No. 937 00:54:03,657 --> 00:54:05,283 You know, uh... 938 00:54:06,326 --> 00:54:09,829 Again, not in the context I think that you're speaking of. 939 00:54:10,872 --> 00:54:12,499 You know? [inhales] 940 00:54:15,043 --> 00:54:17,545 [male reporter] Do you think about getting out of here? 941 00:54:17,629 --> 00:54:19,130 Well... [chuckles] 942 00:54:19,214 --> 00:54:22,050 Well, legally, sure. [chuckles] 943 00:54:32,686 --> 00:54:35,480 [Bundy] As the months and weeks wore on into spring, 944 00:54:35,563 --> 00:54:38,566 I think that one opportunity after another passed, 945 00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:42,195 and I became more and more impatient with myself. 946 00:54:44,864 --> 00:54:47,909 I psyched, psyched, psyched myself up for weeks. 947 00:54:48,326 --> 00:54:50,161 And literally, it took-- it took weeks. 948 00:54:52,205 --> 00:54:58,962 I began jumping off the top bunk in my cell in the Garfield County jail. 949 00:54:59,045 --> 00:55:02,507 Jumping again and again and again off the top bunk to the floor 950 00:55:02,590 --> 00:55:04,592 to strengthen my legs for the impact. 951 00:55:06,594 --> 00:55:08,763 I measured, mentally measured the distance 952 00:55:08,847 --> 00:55:10,849 from the corner of the courthouse to the alley 953 00:55:10,932 --> 00:55:14,227 and from the alley to the riverbed and from the riverbed to the mountains. 954 00:55:18,106 --> 00:55:21,067 And I measured my cell and I ran those distances. 955 00:55:21,568 --> 00:55:23,903 I ran those distances again and again. 956 00:55:25,488 --> 00:55:28,408 I practiced how rapidly I could change my clothes 957 00:55:28,491 --> 00:55:31,369 from my courtroom attire to my shorts, and... 958 00:55:32,162 --> 00:55:34,414 I, uh, got a haircut... 959 00:55:35,123 --> 00:55:37,042 so that I had a different appearance. 960 00:55:39,044 --> 00:55:41,004 Finally I stood right before it. 961 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,006 I hesitated. 962 00:55:43,089 --> 00:55:46,468 You cannot believe the thoughts that flipped through my mind. 963 00:55:46,551 --> 00:55:47,635 I could be free. 964 00:55:48,053 --> 00:55:52,974 The windows were open and the fresh air is blowing through and the sky was blue. 965 00:55:55,226 --> 00:55:56,770 And I said, "I'm ready to go," 966 00:55:56,853 --> 00:55:58,855 and I walked to the window and jumped out. [laughs] 967 00:55:59,553 --> 00:56:04,855 Prijevod by The Shixx